updated
March 6, 2003
From
time to time we'll post questions we've received regarding
our
line of v-twin performance drivetrain products. If you've
got a question concerning the use of our products on your
bike,
please
let us know. To find topics, use the "find" command
under your browser's edit menu. Also be sure and check our online
library of product literature, for answers concerning application. |
| model |
product |
topic |
question |
response |
XL
'89 |
SportGear |
5-speed |
is
there anyway to "add" a fifth gear to the trans
to make it a 5-speed? |
Not
that we know of. Same holds for four speed BTs. |
all |
all |
overdrive |
Is
TwistGear an overdrive? |
No.
TwistGear, WideGear, and SportGear are close ratio fifth
gear
replacements. We manufacture our own one piece countershaft/fifth
gear and main gear to maximize acceleration, and use final
or primary ratio gear to dial in fifth-gear engine speed
characteristics. |
all |
all |
6
speeds |
Will
TwistGear,SportGear, or WideGear work in my aftermarket or converted
6 speed? |
You
can't mix 5-speed parts with 6-speed parts. We
don't know if our trapdoor kits fit aftermarket 6-speed cases,
but if you've installed a 6-speed in your stock 5-speed case,
then the answer is yes. You'll
have to reinstall the 5-speed drum and forks.
|
all |
all |
axial
bearing load |
Don't
helical gears lose a lot of horsepower because of the side loads
generated? |
There
is a loss of power whenever helical gears are employed,
but it's so insignificant that it can't be
seen on a dyno.
Keep
in mind, straight cut gears also register a power
loss, but again it's negligble. Not so with overdrives,
which can lose in the neighborhood of five percent.
Both
the automotive and the trucking industries are relentless
in
their pursuit of fuel economy - anything that threatens
to rob power is replaced. Both use helical gears consistently
in
their transmissions for greater strength,
more reliability, and a much quieter drivetrain. Loss of power
is not a factor. |
XL
'03
1200C |
SportGear |
what's
needed |
What
do I order (part #'s, etc.) to obtain the 13% gear reduction?
How
much will it cost? |
Our
SportGear page and
PDF documents both have the part numbers and references
you'll need. Make sure you download the file "SportGear
Tables.pdf" for P/Ns. Prices
are as shown on our price
list. When you're ready, print it and fill in the info.
Pulleys
and belt are dealer items, and we list the P/Ns. There are
also a number of aftermarket sources.
Labor
varies, depending on whether or not pulleys are swapped,
but generally require a minimum of 3 hours. Reference a fifth
gear R&R. |
Buell
1998 S1W |
Sportgear |
backcutting
gears |
Johnson
Eng, I'm interested in your gear for my 1998 Buell S1W.
How
much is it?
Where
do I have it installed?
I
want to have the transmission gears backcut. Do you recommend
this and should I have it done at the same time as installation
of your new gear.
Where
do I purchase the Euro 29/55 pulleys for the bike?I plan to
drag race this bike at Stugis.
Would
the stock gearing be more of a benefit for racing? I might convert
it to chain drive. |
1.
The price is shown on the website as $570
2.
A dealer or good shop. Very simiiar to a fifth gear R&R.
3.
SportGear needs no backcutting, it is already done. The remainder
of the gears can be backcut, but this process removes the
hard
case off of the dog teeth. We don't
recommend it because of potential wear problems.
4.
The pulleys and belt are available at your dealer, or check
aftermarket sources found on forums like Sportster.org and
American Thunderbike Club, both linked on our news page.
5.
The pulley selection depends on your racing application.
If
you want to go faster than 140mph then you must have SportGear
on 29/55 sprockets. |
Fatboy
94 |
Twist
Gear |
torque
and pulleys |
My
94 Fatboy has had the tranny sprocket changed to a 30-tooth
for the low end grunt. Would
I gain anything, torque-wise by going back to a stock 32-tooth
sprocket and adding the Twistgear - compared to what I have
now?
Secondly,
from how I understand the Twistgear, wouldn't it be advisable
that
I keep the 30-tooth sprocket and still add the Twistgear?
Would
I or wouldn't I be running more revs?
I first figured I can keep my 30-tooth sprocket and have a normal
5th gear for my long trips, but now that I've read your brochure,
I think that was premature thinking. Please clarify.
Do
you have any numbers as far as torque difference between 32T
sprocket with Twistgear as opposed to the 30T sprocket without?
Your
products are top shelf, but I'd hate to go through the expense
of going back to the stock setup with the Twistgear and then
find out I've lost torque.Granted, for engine life, comfort,
gas economy, your reccommendation is the way to go. |
Yes,
you gain both torque in 1st and lower engine rpm's in 5th if
you go back to 32T with TwistGear - this is our recommendation.
If
you put in TwistGear and keep the 30T sprocket, you may get
too much reduction, or overgear, with first gear becoming nearly
unuseable.
It's
your call on how much reduction you want in 1st gear, but again
you'll probably be overgeared.
All our helical products run 1:1 final, so overrevving
isn't anymore a problem than it was before.
TwistGear
(41/20) with 32T/70T pulleys results in 11.12:1 first gear
stock
gears (32/17) and 30T/70T pulleys results in 10.89:1 first
gear. Therefore
TwistGear configuration will produce 2.1% more torque than
present configuration in first 4 gears.
TwistGear,
SportGear, and WideGear are guaranteed for 120 days regardless,
and for a full year against defects. That's as good as it
gets. |
FXST
2001 |
WideGear |
chassis
mods |
I
have a 2001 FXST/Standard and would like to know exactly what
I will have to have to put a wide tire on. |
WideGear
will take care of the engine and transmission. You need
to select
your choice of swingarm, fender, wheel/tire, etc.Check with
your dealer or with distributors online.
We
ship direct, or order through
your local dealer. |
Fatboy
1996 |
WideGear |
chassis
mods |
CAN
I USE THIS WITH MY STOCK SOFT TAIL SWINGARM AND RUN A 240X18
ON A 8.5 INCH WHEEL? OR WHAT DO I NEED TO RUN IT?IF I CAN HOW
MUCH IS IT? |
Yes,
WideGear works on your 1996 Fatboy.No - you can run up to
180
tire with your stock swingarm, but you'll need an aftermarket
swingarm for 240 tire. |
|
FXRS
1987 |
WideGear |
aftermarket
frame |
I
own a 1987 FXRS, and am planning on buying a wide tire stock
frame from BIGBOARQuestion: would your kit work on my o.e.m.
motor and trans ?, and how about the BIG BOAR frame? |
WideGear
will work in your engine/trans if you upgrade the clutch
basket
to 1991 and upgrade the transmission driver pulley also. Please
see the upgrade
note
on the website.
WideGear
is designed for use in frames that don't offset the tranny
or engine. If the transmission plate's offset, it would
have to be reset to stock alignment. |
Road
King |
WideGear |
starter
coupling |
I need the extended starter splined coupling. is it avalable
seperatly? If so at what cost?
Do
the splines go all the way through? I would need to shorten
it to only .375" longer than stock.
Do
you have a way to offset the primary .375? I have a Road King
running a 180 tire with a 1" belt at present. To run a
stock belt I need to offset motor and trans .375 or the primary
.375
I
believe I can move the rear belt pully and clutch over with
a spacer and special nuts and still have enough engagement to
the splines in the shaft.
|
Our starter coupling is 30mm (1.18") longer than stock, $55
plus shipping.
No,
there is a 1" gap in between the splines. It doesn't look
like this will work.
We
only offer the 30mm offset parts right now, but since the
FLT
frame tube is outside the belt, it wouldn't do any good to
move the primary out - the outside belt edge cannot move
outboard (without serious frame cutting)
because of frame interference.
It seems that running the 1" wide belt is the only option
you have unless you chop the frame. |
|
Dyna |
WideGear |
rubber
mount
starter |
How much
is it?
Does it
work with Dyna rubber mount systems?
Does the
starter have to be modified?
What after
market wide rubber mount or softtail frames should it work with.
|
Varies
with application. You can download most of this information
from the website, including a Dyna
running a 240.
The kit
has a longer coupler for the starter, so no starter modifications
are necessary.
The only
frames it won't work with are the ones with offset engine
and/or trannys. WideGear provides the spacing via a longer
mainshaft, not by moving the tranny. |
XL
1200 |
WideGear |
fat
tire conversion |
Do
you make a wide tire kit for a 2003 sporter 1200? |
We
get a fair amount of questions concerning a Sportster
version of WideGear. To be candid, we don't
think there's a big enough market, although that
could change.
One of the problems we think customers would encounter would
be finding other parts required, like struts, fenders, swingarms,
axles, etc. In other words, the other items that we don't manufacture
ourselves.
We may yet make a Sportster kit, but not right now. |
ST 01 |
WideGear |
conversion |
I have a 2001 softtail Deuce. Whcih kit would you recommend
and where could I purchase a swingarm? |
Well,
IF you want a wide look (per your question about swingarm
sources) then you'd need WideGear, which is a perfect match
for your project. You also get the unique performance
advantages (helical gearing, close ratio gearbox) with
WideGear, just like TwistGear.
There
are several sources, start by checking with your dealer
or online or from the major distributors. You'll also need
fenders, struts, axles, etc.
I
know this doesn't exactly answer your question, but I hope
it's pointed you in the right direction. |
Dyna
02 |
WideGear |
conversion |
I
own a 2002 Dyna Wide glide and want to put a larger rear
tire on it without going through nightmares and
changing rear swing arms, shock towers, transmissions and fenders.
What
does your kit do and what do I need totally for the fat
tire conversion. I would like to keep the original final
belt
drive. |
Wide
tire conversions are difficult. Simply
put, you can't go wide
without increasing clearance all the way down the line. This begins with
moving the transmission pulley (or sprocket) far
enough out so that either the belt or chain will clear whatever size tire
you decide on. That's for starters.
The
swingarm is fundamental. You simply can't get a "wide" (above
150mm or so) tire into the existing swingarm. Check the clearance
for yourself, and you'll see why. It's like trying to get
a size 12 foot into a size 6 shoe.
The
issue of belt width is also integral. The method of final
drive (belt or chain)
is related to how much tire clearance is available. For
maximum tire width use chain, or run a 1 1/8" belt
if horsepower is conservative.
Our
kit extends the primary out by 30 mm (1.188") because
of our extended mainshaft, the part that your clutch attaches
to. This is matched at the front by a 30mm spacer between
the engine and the innter primary, and an appropriate spacer
between the transmission and the inner primary. Unique
to our kit is an exclusive close ratio gearing change, as
well as other
significant
benefits.
To
sum up, wide tire conversions are an expensive and time
consuming proposition. Doing them correctly is crucial, but
when done properly you'll have something you can truly call
your own.
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